Military Comm Center  






















Go Back   Military Comm Center > Military Comm Center - All Military branches welcome > General Open Forums And More > Current News and Events


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 10-12-2017, 12:48 PM
MM2_ss_Lewis MM2_ss_Lewis is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Alabama
Posts: 308
Default

That is not a link to a study... It is a link to an article in the MIT Technology Review. Huge difference there. The article cites costs as the reason for a plant changing to natural gas instead of using lignite gasification. The Kemper plant was based on a faulty premise, which is why it had problems even before construction began. Basic economics and common sense both tell a person that adding additional steps prior to producing the product or service will increase costs. Thus, unless the method used is inexpensive it will not be economically viable.

The Petra Nova project seems more practical based on currently available technology. If I recall correctly, that plant does the carbon capture after burning the coal and is currently capturing 90+% of the carbon emissions. Additionally, the captured CO2 is stored and used to boost oil productivity. I do not recall the estimates for that aspect. Essentially, they are producing their product/service then compensating for the additional expense by using the carbon to help produce additional products.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 10-12-2017, 04:57 PM
Ex_ATCer Ex_ATCer is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Ohio
Posts: 1,459
Default Infancy

Nobody has put any real effort in developing this technology.

It is in it's infancy.

It is not a project that will be easily solved by a few billion dollars and a half hearted effort.

I am the first person that wishes we had abundant green energy, but we do not.

We will not be able to get rid of coal in my lifetime.

It is a moon shot. It needs extreme scientific breakthroughs similar to going to the moon.

With what we spent on nuclear power plants the amount of money put into research and development is minute.

If good presidents like Trump are elected, the government can push the development of scientific breakthroughs.

We need massive tax breaks for any company developing cleaner ways to burn coal.

We need a centralized authority to collect and disseminate the progress and breakthroughs.

If the EPA would grow some balls, they could solve our energy and environmental needs at the same time.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 10-12-2017, 05:00 PM
Ex_ATCer Ex_ATCer is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Ohio
Posts: 1,459
Default Perspective

Just a trivial note.

The recent wildfires in California have put more carbon and pollution in the atmosphere than all the cars in the state do in a year.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 10-12-2017, 05:14 PM
Woody_in_La Woody_in_La is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Tallulah, La.
Posts: 1,891
Default

You know, I get really tickled with the latest examples of AGW. CO2 is produced from breathing and CO is produced from burning. Autos that burn fuel, grills, stoves, coal powered and natural gas powered plants, even a bon-fire produces CO, not CO2. Asking Google you get both, but for CO2 it has current dates as to what causes CO2. No mention of the fact that the mere act of breathing creates CO2. Now keep in mind, that is only from Google answers, not from links they list.
__________________
Noli nothis permittere te terere!
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 10-12-2017, 05:17 PM
Woody_in_La Woody_in_La is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Tallulah, La.
Posts: 1,891
Default

I also didn't notice a mention of the fact that plants need CO2 to survive and that they produce oxygen in the process. Keep in mind that this is Google's list of questions and answers.
__________________
Noli nothis permittere te terere!
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 10-12-2017, 05:20 PM
Kegler300's Avatar
Kegler300 Kegler300 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Jacksonville, NC
Posts: 5,660
Default

Yep, plants need CO2 to produce oxygen, and we need oxygen to survive.
__________________
How's my posting? Call 1-800-EAT-SHIT
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 10-12-2017, 05:37 PM
Ex_ATCer Ex_ATCer is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Ohio
Posts: 1,459
Default Volcanic end of life on Earth

The national news is reporting that there may be mega volcanoes brewing that could end all human life on earth.

The title was so outrageous, I did not even read the article.

Also, a large asteroid that could have caused mass casualties just sped by us in what is called very close proximinity.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 10-12-2017, 05:42 PM
Ex_ATCer Ex_ATCer is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Ohio
Posts: 1,459
Default Moon shot

How many years did it take of research and development to put a man on the moon?

How many rockets exploded before they worked?

If our government put real scientific effort into clean coal it would happen.

It is simply a decision to make.

Hillary and Barrack are against coal and even clean coal.

Trump is for it.

Our nation just needs to make a decision and make it happen.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 10-12-2017, 05:49 PM
Moose Limbs Moose Limbs is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Virginia
Posts: 240
Default

Sure, but lets go all in on cold fusion while we're at it.

I am genuinely not sure what it is about coal that people have a hardon for. I get that back in the day, high school educated workers in WV could make yesteryears equivalent of six figure salaries or whatever. But I dunno wtf to tell you, coal is not coming back. It's not a political thing for me, it's just economics.
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 10-13-2017, 06:45 AM
Woody_in_La Woody_in_La is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Tallulah, La.
Posts: 1,891
Default

Truthfully, I am more for natural gas and nuclear power generation than coal. But there are still some coal fired plants out there along with smelters that use the stuff.
__________________
Noli nothis permittere te terere!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 06:58 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright & Copy 2010 - 2018, MilitaryCommCenter, All Rights Reserved. Permmission required for reprint

Neither the United States Marine Corps nor any other component of the Department of Defense has approved, endorsed, or authorized this site, products, and/or services.