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Old 09-20-2017, 07:43 PM
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I know of some suppliers that supplied hollow point M16 rounds to soldiers for special missions.

I believe hollow points or any alteration to a bullet is against the Geneva convention.

Does anyone in the world follow this agreement?
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Old 09-21-2017, 09:33 AM
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I know of some suppliers that supplied hollow point M16 rounds to soldiers for special missions.

I believe hollow points or any alteration to a bullet is against the Geneva convention.

Does anyone in the world follow this agreement?
Of Course We Do !!! Just ask the CIA, or any of our military public relations officers
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Old 09-22-2017, 06:54 AM
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The old M16 ammo was funny... The light weight, profile and the rate of twist in the rifling caused it to act strangely. At some ranges it acted like an ice pick, straight through. At other ranges it would tumble erratically. Light weight bullets have another issue, they are more easily deflected in flight as well...

On the military use of hollow point ammunition. Some ball ammo has what appears to be a hollow point, but it is not.

Hollow points are not banned by the Geneva Convention, they are actually prohibited by the Hague Convention of 1899. The United States did not ratify Hague IV-3, as such, technically, we could use hollow points in military service.

The Geneva Conventions and Protocols do not cover ammunition at all. There are 4 conventions and 3 protocols.
C1-"for the Amelioration of the Condition of the Wounded and Sick in Armed Forces in the Field"
C2- "for the Amelioration of the Condition of Wounded, Sick and Shipwrecked Members of Armed Forces at Sea"
C3- "relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War"
C4-"relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War"
P1-"Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts"
P2-"Protection of Victims of Non-International Armed Conflicts"
P3-"Adoption of an Additional Distinctive Emblem"

So, we likely follow the letter (if not always the spirit) of the Geneva Conventions. The various Hague conventions are another matter, we are not bound by the 1899 IV,3 convention as we did not ratify it (that's the one banning expanding ammo).
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Old 09-22-2017, 12:47 PM
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One day at a modified range (in Nam) we were shooting the 45. Of course we were taught to use two hands to aim and steady it. We were using old ammo cans for targets.

I was not doing so well using this method.

When all was said and done I had a full mag that I had not used.
So I loaded the 45 and shot it using one hand from the hip.
Bing! Bing! Bing! Every round hit the ammo can I was shooting at.

I turned to my buddies with a big smile on my face . . . and everyone of them had already turned and was walking away.
No One Saw It!!!
THAT was "one" good memory I brought back with me.
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Old 09-22-2017, 04:57 PM
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Any indoor range, I shot a perfect score, 30 out of 30 including the two 300 meter targets.

Any outdoor range with wind I would usually be 28 out of 30. Missing both 300s.

Of course a real battle would be outside, but my permanent duty always used indoor ranges.

Maybe if we fought the Russians, I could ask them to step inside for a few minutes. LOL.
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Is THAT a mechanical mosquito ?
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Old 09-23-2017, 08:44 PM
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Looks kinda big compared to my spy novel descriptions.
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Old 09-24-2017, 04:05 AM
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It is so secret ... it got removed ... or did it get swatted?
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